Plans for EphPod

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Plans for EphPod

Joe Masters

2003-10-16 20:41:57 UTC

So, Apple's got their iTunes out, and once you guys have had a chance to
test it, please let me know (to the group if you think it's generally
interesting, to me if you think only relevant to me) if you think the
development of EphPod should continue.

I am planning to open-source what I can of EphPod (it depends on several
commercial packages, and those would have to be taken out) under some
license (still trying to figure out which one would be best), and so if
you're interested in helping me do that, I would appreciate it.

I know I've been slack in recent months on updates, and I don't want
EphPod to be abandonware.

--joe

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Andreas Schaefer

2003-10-17 07:14:38 UTC

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I will try iTunes on Windows and have been using it on my Mac for almost
a year now - but I still handle my iPod only with ephpod!
So please don't stop this great project that give the users so much
more control over their music.

just my 2 cents - Andreas

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richard

2003-10-17 12:07:05 UTC

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reportedly, you can't use itunes to transfer a file from the ipod back to
the pc. that alone would argue for ephpod.

i'd rather have a small excellent dedicated program than a large program
that tries to do everything.

all of which is a long way of saying i'd like ephpod to continue

open source would be very nice.

if you're still in the mood for doing updates, two major problems i've been
having (1) syncing reloads all mp4's every time and (2) crashes sometimes
when loading mp4's. plus not reading itunes genre tags properly (apple
uses mp3 genre code plus one)

Post by Joe Masters
So, Apple's got their iTunes out, and once you guys have had a chance to
test it, please let me know (to the group if you think it's generally
interesting, to me if you think only relevant to me) if you think the
development of EphPod should continue.
I am planning to open-source what I can of EphPod (it depends on several
commercial packages, and those would have to be taken out) under some
license (still trying to figure out which one would be best), and so if
you're interested in helping me do that, I would appreciate it.
I know I've been slack in recent months on updates, and I don't want
EphPod to be abandonware.
--joe
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Eduardo Delgado

2003-10-17 16:02:18 UTC

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Post by richard
i'd rather have a small excellent dedicated program than a large program
that tries to do everything.

Amen to that.

iPod!, uPod?

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Antoine Barrillon

2003-10-17 17:33:56 UTC

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Post by Eduardo Delgado

Post by richard
i'd rather have a small excellent dedicated program than a large program
that tries to do everything.

Amen to that.

Michael Favila

2003-10-17 19:34:03 UTC

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Ephpod is the greatest program for the ipod. Open source would be a great
idea if you no longer have the time to maintain it Joe. Either that, or
getting somebody to sponsor and pick it up. Although, I don't know the
feasability of either, I've got to say that ephpod and it's users seem to
have a very good community and really respect the work that you've done.

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Post by Eduardo Delgado

Post by richard
i'd rather have a small excellent dedicated program than a large program
that tries to do everything.

Amen to that.

Hello,

I don't want to start a big 'me-too' thread but I've been on the
mailing-list for a while (in read-only mode) and I'd like to say :
please don't let us down with ITune !

If you don't have time/motivation/will/etc. to continue, open source
might be an option (althought I'm not a developper, there might be some
interrested) ...

Anyway, don't give up. ITune and Ephpod are not playing in the same
championship ;)

Cya,
--
Antoine, average Ephpod user.

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Gordon Harris

2003-10-17 23:48:10 UTC

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First impressions of iTunes for windows, using 3rd Gen 40gig iPod, windows
format, wiped clean, (using Ephpod tools) iTunesDB then manually deleted
(Ephpod bug?), 5000+ (30+gigs) MP3s xfered using iTunes.

iTunes: Nice interface, especially the layout in "browse" mode. Seemed to
xfer mp3s to the iPod nearly as quickly as Ephpod...but that's a guess. I
didn't time it.

iTunes preserves leading spaces in MP3 title tags (yeah!) which is my only
pet peeve with Ephpod.

On the negative side...the iPod "skips over the 1st track on playback"
problem is MUCH, MUCH worse (boo!) with MP3s xfered by iTunes...(Long
filenames?) In fact, it seems like my iPod now skips nearly 1 out of every
4 or 5 tracks. I'll most likely re-wipe my iPod and re-xfer all the MP3s
using Ephpod.

So...my vote is for Joe to keep Ephpod "alive" or open-source it...I'll keep
using it, anyway.

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Subject: [ephpod] Plans for EphPod

So, Apple's got their iTunes out, and once you guys have had a chance to
test it, please let me know (to the group if you think it's generally
interesting, to me if you think only relevant to me) if you think the
development of EphPod should continue.

I am planning to open-source what I can of EphPod (it depends on several
commercial packages, and those would have to be taken out) under some
license (still trying to figure out which one would be best), and so if
you're interested in helping me do that, I would appreciate it.

I know I've been slack in recent months on updates, and I don't want
EphPod to be abandonware.

--joe

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Stefan Graber

2003-10-18 07:26:10 UTC

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Another reason for continuing the development of
EphPod is that is not that hardware consuming as
iTunes is. I mean yes, iTunes looks really great, but
on my Athlon 750 MHz computer, it's nearly a pain to
act with iTunes wherever with EphPod there's no
problem at all. iTunes takes up to 30-50% of CPU Time
and 30-40 MB of RAM on my computer running Win2000!

And beside that, EphPod is just a great piece of
software (although it still has some bugs... :) ) - in
its purpose of transferring and managing songs on the
iPod it's unbeatable. It would be extremely sad if
development would stop.
Thanks to Master Joe! :)

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Stefan Rusche

2003-10-19 14:46:38 UTC

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Post by Gordon Harris
On the negative side...the iPod "skips over the 1st track on playback"
problem is MUCH, MUCH worse (boo!) with MP3s xfered by iTunes...(Long
filenames?) In fact, it seems like my iPod now skips nearly 1 out of
every 4 or 5 tracks. I'll most likely re-wipe my iPod and re-xfer all the
MP3s using Ephpod.

I totally agree. I always thought the numbers-for-filename feature would be
standard with iTunes and just a disadvantage of MusicMatch. But it seems that
that was Joe's idea - a brilliant one, by the way! So after this little
iTunes "stray" I am - right now - happily (and humbly ;-)) switching back to
EphPod.

The Idea of OpenSource would be great, though. I am not a programmer,
unfortunately, but I won't give up hope, that there will be a native Linux
version in the future.

Stefan

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Stefan Rusche

2003-10-19 16:09:01 UTC

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There is gtkPod for Linux, which is actually rather good.

AFAIK all Linux iPod-tools are frontends for gnupod, which has - again AFAIK -
the same disadvantage of the long filenames and the song-skipping-issue.

I have been using EphPod for quite some time now and I tested several other
tools, including iTunes, and I never encountered a faster and more
straight-forward tool than EphPod. I do not want to cut back on the features
and stability EphPod provides. I rather boot into Windows to sync - a native
Linux EphPod would be the icing on the cake, though.

Stefan

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Stefan Rusche

2003-10-19 17:33:15 UTC

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no gtkPod is not a frontend for gnupod. However it is based on it. (it
is a port to c from the perl gnupod)
it is fairly decent, but it certainly isnt ephpod :)
the newer versions (0.6) have some nice features (some of which ephpod
lacks) too.

Hmm, I might try it out, then. Does it create the filenames as numbers and
distributes them over the F00...F19 folders? I think that this is quite
important for the performance.

Another disadvantage is that I use KDE, not Gnome and I do not want to install
the 2.x GTK... I know there is a KDE iPod tool as well, but I don't know how
good that works or what it's features are.

Is there no one out there that would port EphPod to Linux (maybe with Kylix)?
I would happily donate 50 EUR if the port worked...

Stefan

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