HeadsUp: Firmware 1.2.6 available (longer battery life?)

There's also speculation that this will fix the Windows Audible Bookmarks
bug.

--joe

--On Thursday, March 20, 2003 1:23 PM +0100 Eduardo Delgado

Post by Eduardo Delgado
http://www.apple.com/ipod/download/

iPod Software 1.2.6 provides improved battery management which solves a
problem that may appear to shorten your iPod?s battery life.

Download the Windows version (might format your iPod), or the OS9 for use
http://members.cox.net/ipodtools
http://www.podtronics.com/
I haven't tested it yet.
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Bill Tullock

2003-03-20 15:15:50 UTC

Sorry to report that the Windows Audible Bookmarks still return to 0:00
after the firewire connection.

Bill

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There's also speculation that this will fix the Windows Audible Bookmarks
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Loopy

2003-03-20 17:43:15 UTC

Has anyone successfully installed this firmware yet?

I downloaded the 1.2.6 Updater from apple.com but when I run it cannot
find/mound my iPod.

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Post by Eduardo Delgado
http://www.apple.com/ipod/download/

iPod Software 1.2.6 provides improved battery management which solves a
problem that may appear to shorten your iPods battery life.

Wesley Morgan

2003-03-20 18:02:12 UTC

Post by Loopy
Has anyone successfully installed this firmware yet?
I downloaded the 1.2.6 Updater from apple.com but when I run it cannot
find/mound my iPod.

I tried the OS9/firmware extractor/podtronics and it could not find my
ipod (never could before though). The apple updater worked fine. Win XP,
20gb win32 ipod (converted from mac).

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2003-03-20 18:15:57 UTC

Post by Wesley Morgan
I tried the OS9/firmware extractor/podtronics and it could not find my
ipod (never could before though).

I guess you need the updated dll. I can't see it at Grant's site, but it's available
in http://www.iweenie.com (thanks, Mark).

Post by Wesley Morgan
The apple updater worked fine.

Did it let you to just "Update" as it should, or you had to "Restore" (i.e.
reformat)?

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Post by Eduardo Delgado
Did it let you to just "Update" as it should, or you had to "Restore" (i.e.
reformat)?

Just update. worked great!

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Mark Watkins

2003-03-20 17:48:38 UTC

I've updated my old 5gig ipod with the MAC OS 9 firmware which was extracted
using the firmware extraction tool (I'm hosting the zipped binary at
www.iweenie.com ) and then updated my ipod with grants updater.

I haven't tested the battery life yet but it at least plays songs!!
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Post by Loopy
Has anyone successfully installed this firmware yet?
I downloaded the 1.2.6 Updater from apple.com but when I run it cannot
find/mound my iPod.
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Post by Eduardo Delgado
http://www.apple.com/ipod/download/

iPod Software 1.2.6 provides improved battery management which solves a
problem that may appear to shorten your iPods battery life.

Download the Windows version (might format your iPod), or the OS9 for

use

Post by Loopy

Post by Eduardo Delgado
http://members.cox.net/ipodtools
http://www.podtronics.com/
I haven't tested it yet.
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Michael Tan

2003-03-22 04:30:13 UTC

If you have a scroll wheel iPod, upgrade it. I had erradict battery =
times,
from 5 minutes to sometimes a couple of hours. Today, after a good =
charge,
I got over 9 hours on my iPod that is about 14 months old. It seems =
that
the program monitoring the battery now monitors it all the way to the =
cutoff
limit of the battery - display dimmed a lot when the hard drive kicked =
in
then shortly after it quit - and no more finicky battery level.

Finally Apple addressed this battery issue once and for all.

Mike

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ems

2003-04-28 18:27:58 UTC

There's new firmware out, but it's Mac Only. Windows firmware is not
until early May. Since I'm lazy, here a link and a copy and paste from
Apple's site:

http://www.apple.com/ipod/download/

iPod Software 1.3 Update
The iPod Software 1.3 Update provides iTunes 4 support, including
playback of AAC encoded audio files (Mac-only). Additional enhancements
include audio playback and user interface improvements, increased playback
time on scroll-wheel iPods, and longer stand-by time for all iPods.

Important Note
iPod Software Update 1.3 is only compatible with touch-wheel and
scroll-wheel iPods without a dock connector. The recently introduced iPods
(April 28, 2003) do not need this update.

Download the iPod Software 1.3 Updater (5.2MB)
Select the download for your platform (Windows version available early
May):

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2003-04-28 18:46:46 UTC

iPod Software 1.3 Updater is also available for Mac OS 9 users

Pete LePage

2003-04-28 19:17:31 UTC

It looks like we don't get the cool new features like on the go play =
lists
and the new games that come with the new iPod...

:(

That was my SINGLE complaint about my iPod. I couldn't make play lists
while away from my computer...

PEte=20

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iPod Software 1.3 Updater is also available for Mac OS 9 users

But the link brings you to the 1.2.6 version. :-(

So Laetitia's extractor back to the drawer.

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Post by Pete LePage
It looks like we don't get the cool new features like on the go play =
lists
and the new games that come with the new iPod...

Yea, I can confirm this, my coworker updated his scroll-wheel mac iPod and
didn't get all the new stuff. What a disappointment -- Can anyone attest to
the contrary?

However, I would suspect someone will figure out how to install the 3G iPod's
firmware on the 1G and 2G iPods.

cheers,
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ems

2003-04-28 21:02:13 UTC

No kidding, I don't care about any of that stuff, all I want to be able to
do is queue songs up...

Eric

Post by Pete LePage
That was my SINGLE complaint about my iPod. I couldn't make play lists
while away from my computer...

Gordon Harris

2003-04-29 04:08:17 UTC

I managed to update my win-pod to firmware 1.3 using the OS9 update file,
Laetitia's extractor, and the Podtronics updater. Worked like a charm. No
obvious improvements, though.

Anyone have any experience with AAC encoding? The info on the apple site to
the fact that the mac pods support AAC playback with this firmware is
tantalizing. Anyone have an opinion as to whether or not AAC encoding would
offer any actual audible improvement over MP3s on an iPod?

I managed to create a couple of AAC test files and even managed to tag them.
Finding encoding and playback software was kind of a pain, but I managed to
make files that were playable through Winamp2. No way to send them to the
iPod, though, to see if they will play there. I tried the brute force
approach: renaming the test.aac file to test.mp3 to see if Ephpod would xfer
it and read the tags. No dice.

The 128 CBR AAC test file ended up being about 30% smaller than the high
quality MP3 VBR file, and sounded just as good when I gave it a cursory
listening test.

Joe: any desire on your part to add AAC support to Ephpod?

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Cc: ***@wso.williams.edu
Subject: [ephpod] Re: Cutting Edge

No kidding, I don't care about any of that stuff, all I want to be able to
do is queue songs up...

Eric

Post by Pete LePage
That was my SINGLE complaint about my iPod. I couldn't make play lists
while away from my computer...

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b***@nj.rr.com

2003-05-02 22:11:24 UTC

The issue is, does the new IPod have more controls? If so, then it won't
likely ever be possible. If however, they only moved the controls around,
then its quite do-able

Post by Steve K

Post by Pete LePage
It looks like we don't get the cool new features like on the go play =
lists
and the new games that come with the new iPod...

Yea, I can confirm this, my coworker updated his scroll-wheel mac iPod and
didn't get all the new stuff. What a disappointment -- Can anyone attest to
the contrary?
However, I would suspect someone will figure out how to install the 3G iPod's
firmware on the 1G and 2G iPods.
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Post by b***@nj.rr.com
The issue is, does the new IPod have more controls? If so, then it won't
likely ever be possible. If however, they only moved the controls around,
then its quite do-able

Yeah, it's quite do-able, but everything points they won't be doing it.

http://www.ipoding.com/modules.php?
op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1119&mode=thread&order=0

I refuse to believe it, though.

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Michael Richmond

2003-05-02 22:28:26 UTC

My bet is that they may have changed the CPU, or alternately the
introduction of the new data connector has involved different I/O chips.
It may also be the case that the new connector provides additional
sense lines which could not be simulated using the firewire connector
on older iPods.

Like Eduardo I liked the elegance of the way the firewire port was used
on the original iPods. However, I suspect moving to support USB
necessitated the use of a proprietary connector (unless Apple wanted to
ship different USB and Firewire versions which results in different problems).

Lets face it, support for USB is aimed at building the Windows market
which makes good business sense. I'm just hoping that they have designed
the new connector to support future growth so that it does not need to be
changed with each new iPod model allowing investment in accessories to
be carried forward.

I suspect that the new hardware/connector may allow the use of firewire/usb
over the connector while the iPod is in "Play" mode, thus allowing Apple or
third parties to develop software and periperals for the iPod. This is just a
guess, but it would make sense. (And though I have not yet seen one of
the new iPods in person, the new connector seems to have an awful lot of
lines for something which only supports usb/firewire connectivity.)

...Michael Richmond

Post by b***@nj.rr.com
The issue is, does the new IPod have more controls? If so, then it won't
likely ever be possible. If however, they only moved the controls around,
then its quite do-able

Post by Steve K

Post by Pete LePage
It looks like we don't get the cool new features like on the go play =
lists
and the new games that come with the new iPod...

iPod's

Post by Steve K
firmware on the 1G and 2G iPods.
cheers,
-steve

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Jason Gilbert

2003-05-02 22:55:59 UTC

It's for recording.

http://www.ipoding.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1135&mode=nested&order=0&thold=0

http://www.ipoding.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1137&mode=nested&order=0&thold=0

Post by Michael Richmond
(And though I have not yet seen one of
the new iPods in person, the new connector seems to have an awful lot of
lines for something which only supports usb/firewire connectivity.)

Eduardo Delgado

2003-05-02 23:46:22 UTC

Post by Michael Richmond
It may also be the case that the new connector provides additional
sense lines which could not be simulated using the firewire connector
on older iPods.

[...]

It appears they have mic or line in on that connector.

http://www.ipoding.com/modules.php?
op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1132&mode=thread&order=0

"This close-up of the dock port is the most interesting. We can't tell you
why just yet, but trust us... Oh, and do the math; FireWire = 6 pins; USB =
4 pins; Line out = 3 pins. 6 + 4 + 3 = 13 pins; there are way more than 13
pins in that connector..."

http://www.ipoding.com/modules.php?
op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1135&mode=thread&order=0

"but we first ran Diagnostic Mode on it. It has a recording feature! There is
also a test for LINEIN that does recording too. We don't have a mic to test
with it at the moment but after "recording" when we listen to the
headphones we hear the sound of nothing recorded (you know what we
mean right?)"

Post by Michael Richmond
I'm just hoping that they have designed
the new connector to support future growth so that it does not need to be
changed with each new iPod model allowing investment in accessories to
be carried forward.

Future growth upto a year or so. Then it'll become obsolete for the new
ideas they'll have. ;-) They won't be able to inject video in there, or output
dolby 5.1, or whatever they'll imagine.

Still, the dock should have standard FW & USB connectors, plus a small
adapter custom/standard (like the 4-to-6) if you don't want to use/carry the
dock. There shouldn't be a need for custom cables.

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2003-05-02 23:49:53 UTC

Of course they could have put BOTH ports on there...but Apple took the easy
way out

--On Friday, May 02, 2003 5:28 PM -0500 Michael Richmond

Post by Michael Richmond
Like Eduardo I liked the elegance of the way the firewire port was used
on the original iPods. However, I suspect moving to support USB
necessitated the use of a proprietary connector (unless Apple wanted to
ship different USB and Firewire versions which results in different problems).
Lets face it, support for USB is aimed at building the Windows market
which makes good business sense. I'm just hoping that they have designed
the new connector to support future growth so that it does not need to be
changed with each new iPod model allowing investment in accessories to
be carried forward.

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2003-05-03 00:14:53 UTC

Post by Michael Long
Of course they could have put BOTH ports on there...but Apple took the easy
way out

Yes, assuming there was room to do this and maintain form factor (both
in terms of space for the port and dual charging hardware to support different
voltage levels from each port if necessary.)
I also suspect that USB may not have been able to provide the power to have
a reasonable rechargetime.

Post by Michael Long
Future growth upto a year or so. Then it'll become obsolete for the new
ideas they'll have. ;-) They won't be able to inject video in there, or
output
dolby 5.1, or whatever they'll imagine.
Still, the dock should have standard FW & USB connectors, plus a small
adapter custom/standard (like the 4-to-6) if you don't want to use/carry the
dock. There shouldn't be a need for custom cables.

True, but not everybody gets a dock.

In terms of injecting video or other high bandwidth I/O, if they have opened up
the firewire lines while in "Play" mode, then a small adapter could house a
digital converter and dump the result onto the data bus.

But all of this is just hypothesizing.

...michael

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Gordon Harris

2003-04-29 04:32:16 UTC

I think I downloaded the AAC encoder I used from
http://cd-rw.org/software/audio_software/audio_encoders/psytel_aac_enc.cfm

This is a command-line encoder which will turn WAV files into AAC files.

This Psytel encoder was done last year by the same guy who is currently
adding AAC support to Nero. It includes a Winamp2 plugin for playback and a
simple PDF file with encoding instructions.

The tagging software I used came from:
http://faac.sourceforge.net/files/id3v2edit-2.0_inst.exe

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Subject: Re: [ephpod] Re: Cutting Edge

I am interested in support AAC, yes... Are there any free AAC files
anywhere?

Post by Gordon Harris
I managed to update my win-pod to firmware 1.3 using the OS9 update file,
Laetitia's extractor, and the Podtronics updater. Worked like a charm.

Post by Gordon Harris
obvious improvements, though.
Anyone have any experience with AAC encoding? The info on the apple site

Post by Gordon Harris
the fact that the mac pods support AAC playback with this firmware is
tantalizing. Anyone have an opinion as to whether or not AAC encoding

would

Post by Gordon Harris
offer any actual audible improvement over MP3s on an iPod?
I managed to create a couple of AAC test files and even managed to tag

them.

Post by Gordon Harris
Finding encoding and playback software was kind of a pain, but I managed

Post by Gordon Harris
make files that were playable through Winamp2. No way to send them to the
iPod, though, to see if they will play there. I tried the brute force
approach: renaming the test.aac file to test.mp3 to see if Ephpod would

xfer

Post by Gordon Harris
it and read the tags. No dice.
The 128 CBR AAC test file ended up being about 30% smaller than the high
quality MP3 VBR file, and sounded just as good when I gave it a cursory
listening test.
Joe: any desire on your part to add AAC support to Ephpod?
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 3:02 PM
To: Pete LePage
Subject: [ephpod] Re: Cutting Edge
No kidding, I don't care about any of that stuff, all I want to be able to
do is queue songs up...
Eric

Post by Pete LePage
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while away from my computer...

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Philong Ta

2003-04-29 05:52:55 UTC

Try this instead....

Rename an AAC track to 2001.mp3 (or some othe number the way Ephpod renames
files). Then in Windows Explorer copy the renamed AAC file to the folder
containing 2001.mp3 to replace it. See if the ipod will play it. This
trick worked on wav files before Ephpod supported wav. I'm guessing it
won't work though because I think Apple uses AAC streams inside a container
(whatever that means). AAC files I've made with the PsyTEL encoder don't
play in Quicktime, but mp4 files (which I think is an AAC stream inside an
mp4 container, whatever that means) made with Nero do play in Quicktime and
Winamp. So you could also try the same method mentioned above with mp4
files made with Nero (Nero has a free trial). I'd do it but I don't have an
ipod at the moment.

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Post by Gordon Harris
I think I downloaded the AAC encoder I used from
http://cd-rw.org/software/audio_software/audio_encoders/psytel_aac_enc.cfm
This is a command-line encoder which will turn WAV files into AAC files.
This Psytel encoder was done last year by the same guy who is currently
adding AAC support to Nero. It includes a Winamp2 plugin for playback and a
simple PDF file with encoding instructions.
http://faac.sourceforge.net/files/id3v2edit-2.0_inst.exe
-----Original Message-----
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To: Gordon Harris
Subject: Re: [ephpod] Re: Cutting Edge
I am interested in support AAC, yes... Are there any free AAC files
anywhere?

Post by Gordon Harris
I managed to update my win-pod to firmware 1.3 using the OS9 update file,
Laetitia's extractor, and the Podtronics updater. Worked like a charm.

Post by Gordon Harris
obvious improvements, though.
Anyone have any experience with AAC encoding? The info on the apple site

Post by Gordon Harris
the fact that the mac pods support AAC playback with this firmware is
tantalizing. Anyone have an opinion as to whether or not AAC encoding

would

Post by Gordon Harris
offer any actual audible improvement over MP3s on an iPod?
I managed to create a couple of AAC test files and even managed to tag

them.

Post by Gordon Harris
Finding encoding and playback software was kind of a pain, but I managed

xfer

Post by Pete LePage
That was my SINGLE complaint about my iPod. I couldn't make play lists
while away from my computer...

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Hamish O'Dea

2003-04-29 07:52:07 UTC

On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:52:55 +1000

Post by Philong Ta
Try this instead....
Rename an AAC track to 2001.mp3 (or some othe number the way Ephpod renames
files). Then in Windows Explorer copy the renamed AAC file to the folder
containing 2001.mp3 to replace it. See if the ipod will play it. This
trick worked on wav files before Ephpod supported wav. I'm guessing it
won't work though because I think Apple uses AAC streams inside a container
(whatever that means). AAC files I've made with the PsyTEL encoder don't
play in Quicktime, but mp4 files (which I think is an AAC stream inside an
mp4 container, whatever that means) made with Nero do play in Quicktime and
Winamp. So you could also try the same method mentioned above with mp4
files made with Nero (Nero has a free trial). I'd do it but I don't have an
ipod at the moment.

I've tried just replacing exising files with AAC files created by iTunes
4 (they're named *.m4a, BTW). Couldn't get it to work.

I did copy some AAC files and the entire iTunesDB from a MAC iPod to my
FAT32 one and it works. I guess we need Ephpod to write the database
properly.

Some useful binaries for encoding/decoding AAC/MPEG4 files can be found
here:

http://www.inf.ufpr.br/~rja00/

Hamish.

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Hamish O'Dea

2003-04-29 08:14:00 UTC

On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:52:07 +1000

Post by Hamish O'Dea
I've tried just replacing exising files with AAC files created by iTunes
4 (they're named *.m4a, BTW). Couldn't get it to work.
I did copy some AAC files and the entire iTunesDB from a MAC iPod to my
FAT32 one and it works. I guess we need Ephpod to write the database
properly.
Some useful binaries for encoding/decoding AAC/MPEG4 files can be found
http://www.inf.ufpr.br/~rja00/

It looks like the extension is important. I renamed to .m4a and manually
hacked the file name in iTunesDB, and it works.

For anyone interested, this is how I created a working m4a/mp4 file. I
used FAAC and the MPEG 4 tools from the above web site, but I guess the
Nero plugin would do the trick as well. If Quicktime plays it, the iPod
should too.

faac -m 4 train.wav train.aac
mp4creator60.exe -create=train.aac train.mp4

Hamish.

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Daniel Bayerdorffer

2003-04-30 14:55:01 UTC

Hello everyone,
Has anyone checked out www.applemusic.com? This sounds like what I've been
waiting for! Is there any chance ephpod will support this in some way? Since
right now it only works with iTunes on the Mac.

Thanks,
Daniel

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William P.N. Smith

2003-04-30 15:41:03 UTC

Post by Daniel Bayerdorffer
Has anyone checked out www.applemusic.com?

Yes, it looks very exciting, but I suspect we're going to have to wait for
the Windows version (due sometime around the end of the year) before Ephpod
can reasonably be expected to even be able to start to support it...
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Joe Masters

2003-04-30 15:46:11 UTC

Never say never...

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Post by William P.N. Smith

Post by Daniel Bayerdorffer
Has anyone checked out www.applemusic.com?

Yes, it looks very exciting, but I suspect we're going to have to wait
for the Windows version (due sometime around the end of the year) before
Ephpod can reasonably be expected to even be able to start to support
it...
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Steve K

2003-04-30 16:16:47 UTC

Joe --

Need a job?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/39/30466.html

cheers,
-steve

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John

2003-05-01 02:16:58 UTC

no kidding, apply for that job Joe...you have a boatload of folks here who
can give you references!

:)

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Adam Bovill

2003-05-01 21:44:58 UTC

I second that notion.

Adam

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no kidding, apply for that job Joe...you have a boatload of folks here who
can give you references!
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j***@builderadius.com

2003-05-01 03:10:05 UTC

It would be very interesting to me, but I have a good full-time job right
now (that pays more than Apple would, and I own stock in the company), and
I'm set to start law school in the fall of 2004.

Right now I'm looking at ways to integrate EphPod with the new features.
I'm planning on picking up one of the new iPods at the Apple store in
Cambridge this weekend.

Future plans for EphPod...

1) Get AAC support in there (if possible... read on),
2) fix stupid bugs
3) revamp web site
4) Do features that have been on the list for a couple months
5) Reverse-engineer apple music store (unfortunately this might only lead
to you being able to play these songs on your iPod, but...)

I've spent much of my free programming time over the past 6-7 months on an
easier-to-use iPod interface for MoodLogic (http://www.moodlogic.net/).
It's a nice program, especially when combined with MoodLogic's nice
features (identifying songs without needing mp3 tags, and having
mood/tempo/genre info on the songs that can allow the creation of cool
playlists like "Aggressive Songs of the 70s" or "Mellow")

One note -- right now I'm working on the AAC support, and I'm having
difficulty getting an AAC I make on my windows machine recognized &
playable by iTunes. If you've had any success doing this, please let me
know.

Also, I'm surprised that the professional version of QuickTime for Windows
doesn't have AAC encoding for music...

--joe

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I second that notion.
Adam
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Post by John
no kidding, apply for that job Joe...you have a boatload of folks here who
can give you references!

2003-05-01 03:22:43 UTC

"New iPods"?
Does anyone have a quicklink to these supposedly slimmer yet bigger
iPods?

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Cc: ***@wso.williams.edu
Subject: [ephpod] EphPod future plans

It would be very interesting to me, but I have a good full-time job
right
now (that pays more than Apple would, and I own stock in the company),
and
I'm set to start law school in the fall of 2004.

Right now I'm looking at ways to integrate EphPod with the new features.

I'm planning on picking up one of the new iPods at the Apple store in
Cambridge this weekend.

Future plans for EphPod...

1) Get AAC support in there (if possible... read on),
2) fix stupid bugs
3) revamp web site
4) Do features that have been on the list for a couple months
5) Reverse-engineer apple music store (unfortunately this might only
lead
to you being able to play these songs on your iPod, but...)

I've spent much of my free programming time over the past 6-7 months on
an
easier-to-use iPod interface for MoodLogic (http://www.moodlogic.net/).

It's a nice program, especially when combined with MoodLogic's nice
features (identifying songs without needing mp3 tags, and having
mood/tempo/genre info on the songs that can allow the creation of cool
playlists like "Aggressive Songs of the 70s" or "Mellow")

One note -- right now I'm working on the AAC support, and I'm having
difficulty getting an AAC I make on my windows machine recognized &
playable by iTunes. If you've had any success doing this, please let me

know.

Also, I'm surprised that the professional version of QuickTime for
Windows
doesn't have AAC encoding for music...

--joe

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I second that notion.
Adam
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Post by John
no kidding, apply for that job Joe...you have a boatload of folks
here who can give you references!

Phil

2003-05-01 03:54:58 UTC

I read on ipoding.com that AAC files not made by iTunes4 will not play in
iTunes. However, someone wrote earlier here that they were successful in
getting a Windows-encoded AAC file to play on the ipod by changing the
extension to *.m4a.

Post by j***@builderadius.com
One note -- right now I'm working on the AAC support, and I'm having
difficulty getting an AAC I make on my windows machine recognized &
playable by iTunes. If you've had any success doing this, please let me
know.

Hamish O'Dea

2003-05-01 04:06:23 UTC

On Thu, 1 May 2003 13:10:05 +1000
***@builderadius.com wrote:

<snip>

This worked for me:
faac -m 4 train.wav train.aac
mp4creator60.exe -create=train.aac train.mp4

Both tools are available from rarewares:
http://rarewares.hydrogenaudio.org/aac.php
http://rarewares.hydrogenaudio.org/mp4.php

I can't remember if I had to rename the file to .m4a for iTunes to play
it. Just to confuse things, Quicktime on Windows played it when called .mp4,
but *not* .m4a. More confusion: copy protected songs bought from the
iTunes store are apparently called .m4p.

The biggest problem I can see is tagging. I have no idea if there is a
tagging standard for AAC or MPEG4 files, or whether Apple are using
their own thing.

Apple claim iTunes won't play AAC files from third party encoders:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93025

iTunes does not really create AAC files, but MPEG-4 files with AAC audio.
Perhaps this is what they are getting at?

Post by j***@builderadius.com
Also, I'm surprised that the professional version of QuickTime for Windows
doesn't have AAC encoding for music...

The latest Windows version seems to be 6.1, but 6.2 is out for Mac.
Maybe 6.2 will bring AAC encoding to Windows.

Regards,
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Post by Hamish O'Dea
The biggest problem I can see is tagging. I have no idea if there is a
tagging standard for AAC or MPEG4 files, or whether Apple are using
their own thing.

Some info on how iTunes tags its files:
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/3130

Post by Hamish O'Dea
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93025

The Register reports that MacRumours.com reports that this is a bit of a
lie...sorry for the mother's-cousins'-friend's information - I'll try and
dig up a more authorative report ;-)

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Hamish O'Dea

2003-05-01 04:43:16 UTC

On Thu, 1 May 2003 14:26:19 +1000

Post by Hamish O'Dea
The biggest problem I can see is tagging. I have no idea if there is a
tagging standard for AAC or MPEG4 files, or whether Apple are using
their own thing.

http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/3130

Cool. Lets hope this is adopted as the standard way of storing tags.

Interesting that the MPEG-4 file format was based on Quicktime's.

Post by Hamish O'Dea
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93025

The Register reports that MacRumours.com reports that this is a bit of a
lie...sorry for the mother's-cousins'-friend's information - I'll try and
dig up a more authorative report ;-)

Well, the MPEG-4 AAC files I created on Windows certainly do play on
iTunes 4.

Hamish.

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[ brendan mckitrick ]

2003-05-01 04:47:39 UTC

Here's the article that says it:
http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/04/20030429195456.shtml

Amongst other things:

- "Protected AAC files have the extension: .m4p -- ripped AAC files are
.m4a"
- "According to Apple: iTunes will only play AAC files that are created by
iTunes or downloaded from the Music Store. "Other AAC files that you find on
the Internet or elsewhere will not play in iTunes." However, Anecdotal
evidence does not support this. Users have reported being able to play AAC
files encoded outside of iTunes."

A fair bit of other guff mentioned in the article...interesting...

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On Thu, 1 May 2003 14:26:19 +1000

Post by Hamish O'Dea
The biggest problem I can see is tagging. I have no idea if there is a
tagging standard for AAC or MPEG4 files, or whether Apple are using
their own thing.

http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/3130

Cool. Lets hope this is adopted as the standard way of storing tags.
Interesting that the MPEG-4 file format was based on Quicktime's.

Post by Hamish O'Dea
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93025

The Register reports that MacRumours.com reports that this is a bit of a
lie...sorry for the mother's-cousins'-friend's information - I'll try and
dig up a more authorative report ;-)

Well, the MPEG-4 AAC files I created on Windows certainly do play on
iTunes 4.
Hamish.

Phil

2003-05-01 05:28:55 UTC

I tried mp4creator60.exe on an aac file I made with the psytel encoder, but
it doesn't play in QT for Windows. aac files also don't play with QT. But
mp4 files made with Nero (there's a free trial available) do play in QT.
And file extensions do matter with Apple (which is stupid). A *.mp4 may
play in QT, but if you change the extension to anything else and try to open
it, QT says it can't play it.

Maybe this helps.

Post by Hamish O'Dea
faac -m 4 train.wav train.aac
mp4creator60.exe -create=train.aac train.mp4
http://rarewares.hydrogenaudio.org/aac.php
http://rarewares.hydrogenaudio.org/mp4.php
I can't remember if I had to rename the file to .m4a for iTunes to play
it. Just to confuse things, Quicktime on Windows played it when called .mp4,
but *not* .m4a. More confusion: copy protected songs bought from the
iTunes store are apparently called .m4p.

Hamish O'Dea

2003-05-01 05:42:39 UTC

On Thu, 1 May 2003 15:28:55 +1000
Phil <***@staind-online.com> wrote:

Try http://www.inf.ufpr.br/~rja00/files/faac.zip instead of psytel, it's
a much more recent build.

Post by Phil
I tried mp4creator60.exe on an aac file I made with the psytel encoder, but
it doesn't play in QT for Windows. aac files also don't play with QT.
But
mp4 files made with Nero (there's a free trial available) do play in QT.
And file extensions do matter with Apple (which is stupid). A *.mp4 may
play in QT, but if you change the extension to anything else and try to open
it, QT says it can't play it.
Maybe this helps.

play

Post by Hamish O'Dea
it. Just to confuse things, Quicktime on Windows played it when called

.mp4,

Post by Hamish O'Dea
but *not* .m4a. More confusion: copy protected songs bought from the
iTunes store are apparently called .m4p.

j***@builderadius.com

2003-05-02 03:42:30 UTC

More issues on my end... I pulled in the .mp4 file into iTunes and it
would play, but wouldn't let me copy it over to my iPod. I renamed the
file to .m4a, but then iTunes failed to play the song at all.

Seems like we're not going to be able to make these .m4a files on Windows
machines...? Let me know if anyone out there is able to do this...

Next stop will be seeing how the DRM is enforced on the iPod as far as the
Apple Music Store goes. Also, the Apple Music Store is pretty sweet on
the Mac, but is probably fairly hard to duplicate on the Windows side of
things as far as reverse-engineering it goes.

That said, I'm always up for a challenge...

--joe

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2003-05-02 04:57:05 UTC

Post by j***@builderadius.com

On Fri, 2 May 2003 13:42:30 +1000

play

Post by Hamish O'Dea
it. Just to confuse things, Quicktime on Windows played it when called

.mp4,

Post by Hamish O'Dea
but *not* .m4a. More confusion: copy protected songs bought from the
iTunes store are apparently called .m4p.

I had the same problem when the file was called .mp4, but it worked when
it was .m4a. iTunes played it, and I could drag it to the iPod.

The iPod played both the file I created with faac/mp4creator and one I
made with Quicktime. I couldn't seek on the faac file though, it didn't
display any time elapsed/remaining.

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Hamish O'Dea

2003-05-01 06:26:01 UTC

On Thu, 1 May 2003 13:10:05 +1000

Post by j***@builderadius.com
Also, I'm surprised that the professional version of QuickTime for Windows
doesn't have AAC encoding for music...

Looks like Quicktime Pro 6.1 does encode to AAC. Load up a wav or mp3
and choose File/Export, then select "Movie to MPEG-4". Don't know if
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ems

2003-10-16 20:30:13 UTC

So iTunes for Windows is out today. Has anyone tried using it with their
iPod yet?

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2003-10-16 20:30:08 UTC

No -- sadly it does not install under linux/wine. I would like to know if
anyone on the list has any luck with that.

cheers,
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2003-10-16 20:38:40 UTC

I'me using it for 1 hour with Win XP : it's working well. I've tried almost
every options, without bad surprise.
Tried also a upload with a 5 Go Mac Pod converted into in WinPod : iTunes
reconized it, and upload songs quickly.

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Sal Cameli

2003-05-01 09:32:38 UTC

Joe,

Just send in your resume for the hell of it, you never
know, with your experience and EphPod, It been
intresting to see if they make you an offer, you could
post the offer on EphPod.com

Maybe they'd give you 250k/year to start and a 2003 BMW
M3 :)

Sal

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boatload of folks here who

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[ brendan mckitrick ]

2003-05-01 23:11:02 UTC

As posted by a moderator on Apple's iPod discussion forums:

"iPod software 2.0 and its features are only compatible with new iPods.

iPod software 1.3 allows existing iPod customers to play back AAC music
purchased from the iTunes Music Store or ripped from a user's CD collection
on their iPod. "

http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?***@108.XoA6alA0lgm.4@.3bc22c6e

That is fricken annoying...

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Eduardo Delgado

2003-05-02 22:33:17 UTC

Oops. I misread your post, sorry.

Post by b***@nj.rr.com

Post by Steve K
However, I would suspect someone will figure out how to install the 3G

iPod's

Post by b***@nj.rr.com

Post by Steve K
firmware on the 1G and 2G iPods.

The issue is, does the new IPod have more controls? If so, then it won't
likely ever be possible. If however, they only moved the controls around,
then its quite do-able

Well, it doesn't have more controls, but it has _different_ controls. The old
buttons were on/off switches, while the new buttons are touch sensitive. I
guess the on/off parsing is done by the CPU. Still do-able, only a bit
harder.

iPod!, uPod?

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Hamish O'Dea

2003-05-05 06:04:21 UTC

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I tested the files I posted about before on iTunes. Both would display
and play properly when called .mp4, but of course I couldn't send them
to the iPod.

When renamed to .m4a, however, I had interesting results. I could put
both files on the iPod, and both played on the iPod. However,
test-faac.m4a would not play in iTunes. iTunes said "not available" in
the song length column. When playing it on the iPod the elapsed time
shows 0:00 and remaining time -0:00 while the song plays.

Test-quicktime.m4a played OK in iTunes and showed the correct time while
playing on the iPod.

So it looks like iTunes is fussier about the songs it plays than the
iPod (or Quicktime) is, which is not too bad for Windows users, but
might be a pain for people going between Windows and Mac.

On Fri, 2 May 2003 22:10:54 +1000

Actually, mine worked in iTunes with the extension of .mp4, and *didn't*
work with .m4a.
I used the command-line options that you wrote down exactly...
I'll try some other wavs.
--joe

Post by Hamish O'Dea
On Fri, 2 May 2003 13:42:30 +1000

play

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it. Just to confuse things, Quicktime on Windows played it when

called

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.mp4,

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but *not* .m4a. More confusion: copy protected songs bought from

the

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iTunes store are apparently called .m4p.

More issues on my end... I pulled in the .mp4 file into iTunes and

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would play, but wouldn't let me copy it over to my iPod. I renamed

the

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file to .m4a, but then iTunes failed to play the song at all.
Seems like we're not going to be able to make these .m4a files on
Windows
machines...? Let me know if anyone out there is able to do this...

I had the same problem when the file was called .mp4, but it worked

when

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it was .m4a. iTunes played it, and I could drag it to the iPod.
The iPod played both the file I created with faac/mp4creator and one I
made with Quicktime. I couldn't seek on the faac file though, it

didn't

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display any time elapsed/remaining.
Hamish.
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j***@builderadius.com

2003-05-05 12:07:51 UTC

I have figured out how to edit the header from the great research
forwarded to me here.

I have almost completed a commandline program that converts an mp4 to an
m4a (the difference here being mp4 is mpeg 41, not 42 and does not have
the iTunes udat atom)

Once that's done, I'll make it available to you guys, as well as adding
support for it in EphPod. It will be up to someone else (or maybe me in
the not-so-near future) to write a tag editor for the iTunes udat atom
(not too difficult, so if you're interested, just let me know and I'll
give you what I have).

--joe

Post by Hamish O'Dea
I tested the files I posted about before on iTunes. Both would display
and play properly when called .mp4, but of course I couldn't send them
to the iPod.
When renamed to .m4a, however, I had interesting results. I could put
both files on the iPod, and both played on the iPod. However,
test-faac.m4a would not play in iTunes. iTunes said "not available" in
the song length column. When playing it on the iPod the elapsed time
shows 0:00 and remaining time -0:00 while the song plays.
Test-quicktime.m4a played OK in iTunes and showed the correct time while
playing on the iPod.
So it looks like iTunes is fussier about the songs it plays than the
iPod (or Quicktime) is, which is not too bad for Windows users, but
might be a pain for people going between Windows and Mac.

Steve K

2003-05-05 14:22:05 UTC

Hey folks --

Does anyone know where to find some good documentation on the iTunesDB format?
So far I've found the following documents:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/simon.mason20/ipod_tunes_spec.htm
http://sourceforge.net/docman/?group_id=52976

As well as the source code for the various open-source projects (gtkpod,
gnupod, etc.). However, there still are quite a bit "unknown" fields.

Does anyone know of any other sources of info?

cheers,
-steve

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